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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 15, 2009 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

Well - by now we're getting to the point where almost all the early years are "well-represented"! But that doesn't mean everyone has to clamor for more '80s/90s shows....

Anyway, this quote about the vault's contents is worth repeating:
"Recordings date back to three shows in 1967; there are 20 taped concerts from the following year. Almost everything from 1970 is missing, but most tapes from 1972 to 1974 are on hand. The Vault contains 70 per cent of recordings from 1976 to 1978; 40 per cent from 1979-82, [no info about 83-84,] most from 1985-86, but only 30 per cent from 1987. The final touring years, 1988 to 1995, are well documented. Missing tapes were given away or taken and not returned."

With only three 1967 shows available, I think a '67 release is highly unlikely - I can easily imagine an October '68 Road Trips someday, though. '69 is tricky because so much of it was recorded on cassettes rather than reels (plus it had the box set), so they might avoid that year. (Summer '69 would be an excellent Road Trips timezone, though.) 1970, we are out of luck - all they have is Jan-June (and some December), and even that has huge gaps.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 15, 2009 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

According to Dick Latvala tapes from the first half of 1970 do exist though. There is a nice photo in the Tapers Compendium of this slot of shows on the vault shelves and there are certainly quite a few gems there, and seem to span January through June give or take, not exactly "almost nothing". I for one would love a vault copy of 4/15/70, or some of the February Fillmore West shows or June Fillmore West shows. As for 1967, the Shrine shows on 10" reels would make a nice Road Trip for '67.

Here is an interesting quote from the Taping Compendium:
"As considerable as the Dead's vault holdings are, there are numerous gaps, the most conspicuous of which is undoubtably the second half of 1970. Barely any tapes exist in the vault from June of that year through February of 1971. Interviews with many in-house engineers at the time leave it unclear where those recordings are, although all are certain they once existed."

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-06-16 06:16:17

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 16, 2009 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1970 rundown

I was intrigued by reading that there were three '67 shows in the vault....definitely 9/3 and 10/22 - deadlists suggests that the Nov. Shrine shows are there, but Lemieux has never played them on the Taper's Section. Pieces of 9/3 have been released already - but I agree the Shrine shows would be an essential release choice, if the masters still exist.

As for 1970 - I think they have all of Jan/Feb, although the Fillmore West Feb 5 + 7 shows seem to have missing reels. (It would be great if they could share the complete Feb 8 show in sbd someday, though!)
March is when we start running into holes - no sbd's for March 7 or 21 (damn!) - the Fillmore West run of April 9-12 is all chopped up with several reels missing (curses!) - God knows what happened to the April 24-26 shows, they must have been taped (alas!) - and then May is a nightmare, no sbd's for May 3, 7, 8, 9 (complete), 10, 16, 17, or 21 (sigh...) - from June, Lemieux has shared a bit more of the June 4 + 12 shows with us, but apparently there are no sbd's from June 19, 21, or 24 - then there's the Canada run, which I'm not sure if the Dead taped, but parts of shows were taped by the film crew, and some of these are in the vault - then the Fillmore East July 9-12 run seems not to have been taped - which is tragic considering how great those shows were, and I wonder where our faithful Fillmore stagecrew tapers were that week?
So those are the holes in early 1970 - at least there are some surviving shows for us to dry our tears with....

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 16, 2009 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 rundown

Regarding the '67 Shrine shows, the interview with Latvala in the Taping Compendium Vol 1 confirms that they do indeed exist. Latvala said the Shrine shows were the first shows that were taped on 10" reels. I would love to hear those.

My theory on all the missing shows from 1970 is that many of them were simply borrowed and never returned. The audio engineers claim the shows were recorded. Kidd Candelario, who is also interviewed in the same volume of the compendium, relates how the vault was open to everyone in the Dead's scene at that time and that people were constantly in and out borrowing tapes and that he believes he is one of the few who returned all of the tapes in their possession. The 9/19/70 reels for example, did not turn up until the 90's, and we all know the story of the '71 "Houseboat Tapes". Wait and hope I suppose.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 16, 2009 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 rundown

Those are good interviews! - wish they'd gone into even more details....

Deadlists notes that the 11/67 master reels were originally kept at the Warner Brothers vault, where there was apparently some copying from one reel to another....so my concern was that if the GD vault just has copies of the original reels, that might rule out a release. Just speculation, though.

There was a discussion a while back about why 1970 has so much missing - besides Bear being absent, one theory was that the Dead's sound/recording crew went away on film-work for part of the year.
I'm not sure if that's adequate explanation, and I'm also skeptical that people would've stolen practically every show from Aug-Nov, and nothing would have turned up since! (The May '70 outcome of about half-surviving and half-gone seems like it's the result of that kind of carelessness.) I figure either the Dead decided to just stop taping for several months, or some disaster happened to a pile of reels in storage somewhere. Just more speculation, though....

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 15, 2009 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mystery revealed

can't forget that there are three commercial releases from the first five months of 70:

DP #8-05-07 (binghamton)
DS #2-01-18 (portland)
DS #11-02-04 (family dog) (at least I think it is #11 though I don't see it labeled on dead.net)

btw: it always makes me dizzy just thinking of a 67-11-10&11 release...